What If... Obama Is Really Going To Destroy America?
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Even the most unbiased observer has to recognize that Barack Hussein Obama's rise to the Presidency was more than a little skewed. After all, in the primaries he went up against Hillary Clinton who was about as much of a "slam dunk" candidate as the Democrats have fielded for decades, and it was he who got the nomination. Then the GOP, in a staggering misstep, nominated a man who could almost have been Obama's grandfather at a time when the nation was looking for youthful energy and change.
There was more than enough talk around the water cooler when Obama began to surge in the public consciousness of the "messianic spirit" that he used to rally crowds in his favor. There is no doubt that he is a brilliant orator, but his other-worldly "anointed one" persona was so vivid that even McCain based campaign ads on it.
At this point, this Hub can go off on the tangent of discussing the Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to the Irish Saint Malachy but more likely written by Nostradamus, and the correlation with Pope Benedict XVI who is the last pontiff in the line before Petrus Romanus presides over the end of civilization: "the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the terrible or fearsome Judge will judge his people..."
However, the direction of "keepin' it real" might better suit not alienating the secular reader, so let's do just that: "Let's keep it real."
Since Obama's nomination and election, the most prosperous country in the world has been devastated. Paul Volcker, the 81-year-old former chairman of the Federal Reserve said, "I don't remember any time, maybe even the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast." Residential prices have never plummeted this much this quickly in the history of the nation, right from 1776 to the present day. Some of the century-old bulwarks of the country are shattered: General Motors, Chrysler, Lehman Brothers, the list grows by the day. Millions of Americans are homeless and that list is growing as well.
However, the Presidency of the "anointed one" has not just decimated the economic welfare of the country, but its very essence as a great democratic and free nation. As a lifelong American patriot (who happens to be a Canadian) I am profoundly offended by the sight of the President of the United States bowing to the Saudi king. I didn't take that as a denouement of Obama's "hidden Muslim" (as a Muslim who is not a slave need not bow to the Keeper Of The Great Holy Mosques), as much as I saw it in the words of the Washington Times editorial: "a shocking... protocol-breaking... display of fealty to a foreign potentate... befitting a king's subjects, not his peer."
Perhaps even worse is the cuddly handshake and warm words of friendship uttered yesterday with Hugo Chavez, a mad despot who has founded his power base on slapping America across the face. "Aww.. but now we're friends... isn't that nice?"
What's next? How about a fun afternoon of Holocaust denial and swastika wall painting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Or maybe sharing some nice spicy kim chee from the same bowl as Kim Jong Il? (Watch out... he might be eying Bo's nice juicy hindquarters)...
Only the most naive person in the United States would consider that their President "could be friends" with these tyrants and autocrats. What is the basis for these friendships? If I start lobbing nuclear-capable missiles towards Alaska or Israel can I be your friend too, Barack?
Yet the polls maintain that America believes he's doing a fine job. Sure, we're all going broke and prostrating ourselves in deference to foreign thugs, but Obama's just so darn likeable!
Then again, sociopaths usually are.
I don't think the 44th President of the United States is a sociopath. Maybe Obama is a really nice guy with a very contorted bizarre Pollyannaish sense of economics and foreign statesmanship. Or maybe he's a cog in an invariable wheel of destiny which is leading us to a future that few can barely imagine, a world where America as a global power and an economic authority is nothing but a distant memory, and its people slide into the Third World morass of poverty and despair.
One thing I can assure you is that Obama is not the Anti-Christ. He's likely a really nice (but misguided) guy and doesn't have 666 etched into his skull.
But... that's about it.
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I think you've rather let yourself down with this hub. From ignoring the fact that economy was plummeting irreversibly before he took office, to all the hypothetical stuff after your "What next?"
What if this is just like what befell Atlantis. What if he is the answer to the changing world for the better?
There is that FEAR Factor and I think it is really that you and others that FEAR things feel that you have no control and that scares the beegeebees out of you.
If this all happened before and God knows everything then I would be confident in God becasue he loves us....another topic altogether, but you get my drift!
I appreciate and respect all your comments, shamelabboush, Paraglider and Lady Guinevere. I wrote this Hub after the incident with the bowing in front of the Saudi King and decided to not publish it at that time as I fully recognize the controversy it was going to spark due to the incendiary point of view. However, my long antipathy to Hugo Chavez definitely pushed me over the edge, so I amended it to add yesterday's incident and decided to "bite the bullet."
I was in Venezuela during the time of the 2002 double coup and saw what Chavez truly is with my own eyes. If you'd like to familiarize yourself with those events, just look up what happened during that time to the anti-Chavez demonstrators who were fired upon from a Caracas overpass by armed Chavez supporters in a bloody, lethal turkey shoot. The hands of Hugo Chavez, like his mentor Fidel Castro, are stained by the blood of countless innocents. That is not the hand that should be shaken in friendship by the President of the planet's greatest pillar of freedom and democracy.
What did President Obama do after Kim Jong Il fired off the missile that the entire world warned him not to? Nothing. What has been President Obama's response to stepped up Iranian nuclear development? Nothing. Therefore, Paraglider, although you are well aware of the respect that I have for you and your opinions, the "hypothetical" may not end up being so hypothetical after all.
Let's not even mention the fact that due to complete White House neglect in the last couple of months the strongly pro-American state of Pakistan has immolated and is just weeks away from becoming a "failed state" in the hands of acknowledged anti-American terrorists.
The world cannot be ameliorated by embracing, justifying, and befriending merciless tyranny. It can only be bettered by confronting and destroying those power-mad despots and their despicable totalitarian regimes. President Obama has set us all on a course which is so radical, so outrageous, and so profoundly anti-American that in my humble and personal opinion, will cause permanent, incalculable, and irreversible damage to the United States of America and its people.
I cannot live with my conscience if I do not speak up at a time when the world desperately requires sanity, regardless of the lack of popularity of my beliefs.
Uh, not to go against your beliefs in Obama, but doesn't congress have a lot to do with what isn't being done in the White House. Obama has asked for things and yet they will not pass anything until they see it for themselves --so be it. BUT when he told them to come up with better ideas, they didn't and to my knowldege still haven't. A President can only do so much when people are so afraid of change!
So what you propose is to do a wrong to meet a wrong--kill them. Now what would more violence bring to the table?---More violence. The key to peace is understanding and to understand another's point of view is to BE KIND first.
The problem is that Iran is every bit as much 'entitled' to nuclear development as Israel which is armed to the teeth. Saudi, of course, is anti-Iran and friendly to the US over most issues except Israel.
Chavez has less blood on his hands than Obama's predecessor.
I'll step back and let others comment. I expect this hub will find lots of support, but didn't want to let it go unchallenged. Cheers!
Lady Guinevere, I have never advocated killing anyone, even Hugo Chavez. Destroying a despot means removing them from power, not from this mortal coil. Your argument is noble: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Unfortunately, I cannot be kind to understanding the point of view of someone who would order the shooting of innocent men, women and children peacefully demonstrating on a public street, therefore I can find no kindness in my heart. Only the burning desire to see Chavez and tyrants like him removed from office and preferably incarcerated for their vicious murderous crimes. We jail anyone who bounces a $100 check at WalMart, but mass murderers deserve the respect and friendship of our President? Not in the America I knew.
Congress is reflecting the will of the American people who are dazzled by the young President's oratory and powerful personality, but it is quite evident when you consult many leading economic and foreign affairs authorities that the path that President Obama has set the USA on is fundamentally absurd and has no effective chance of success.
I am with Paraglider and will wait for more comments.
i doubt his ability to do that, and to my own understanding he might be on the way to restoring America's image to a one time dignity and peace. just give him some time and chance. thats my opinion and not final.
Paraglider, I would challenge your notion that Iran is entitled to nuclear arms. Israel has existed since 1948 under constant challenge to not only its borders but to its very existence. Although I am not a supporter of nuclear arms in any nation, Israel has shown for half a century that it can be trusted to show restraint in its military activities, including nuclear deployment. They could have nuked their neighbors to glass decades ago, but never dared. I do not share that confidence in the Iranian leadership which has been insisting for years that Israel must be destroyed.
I have stated in previous Hubs how I consider Bush a war criminal, so you will not get any challenge from me on that count. However, that does not justify the current President from calling Chavez or Castro "friends." Friends of what? The blatant flaunting of every conceivable human right?
We will see if this Hub draws support or vitriol. Again, I can only state that this Hub spent a considerable time simmering in the "should I publish or not" pile, but in the end, my conscience did not give me a choice.
"The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open." Gunther Grass
"He who allows oppression, shares the crime." Erasmus Darwin, grandfather of Charles Darwin
"There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest." Elie Wiesel
... and most relevant to our current situation:
"History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure." U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall
Lady Guinevere and accofranco, you are most definitely entitled to your opinion, my respect, and my undying commitment to your right to express those opinions. In this case, only time will tell. And believe me, no one would be happier than I if the current Administration were to be able to restore American pride, prosperity, and the rightful place of your great, just, mighty, and wonderous nation in the world. However, I have to realistically conclude that the chances for that outcome are extremely remote.
...and please don't forget that fighting doesn't always bring an end to war, it rather infuriates it and add more fuel, therefore peace remains the king. don't stop or campaign againts Obama's peace process with middle......
Obama is doing the best that he can do under the circumstances he was given. Could you do better?
Also remember that the Media and the News stations have their own agendas.
accofranco: War is a fundamental human activity dating back to when we were squatting in savanna trees. Although regrettable, it is often the only way to counter tyranny. Where would we all be if America had not joined the fight against Nazism? Today's Tinpot Hitlers are no less dangerous, and no less capable of demolishing democratic structures around the world if left unopposed. Peace may be an admirable ideal but if the cost is liberty, freedom, and democracy, please show me the way to the nearest Army induction center.
Lady Guinevere: You make two excellent points.
"Obama is doing the best that he can do under the circumstances he was given. Could you do better?"
1) His economic bailout policies have burdened American taxpayers to the tune of trillons of dollars which have had no positive effect in ensuring the continuation of business of any corporate recipient to date.
2) His foreign policy of appeasement shows weakness to the very criminals who have committed themselves to the destruction of the American state, at a time when we can least afford to show vulnerability.
Therefore, the only economically proper and democratically salubrious direction to proceed is to throw away this neo-Keynesian profilgacy and this feeble prostration to our sworn blood enemies. We defeated our Cold War opponents through strength, power, and the innate superiority of our ideological and economic system. We do not have to fire off nukes to win these modern wars. All we have to do is restore our belief in the righteousness of the American Way.
As for me doing better, I do not believe that there will be an amendment to Article II of the United States Constitution: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President."
Your point of:
"Also remember that the Media and the News stations have their own agendas."
is well taken. I am well aware of the lack of coverage that Obama bowing in front of the Saudi King had, and the congratulatory tone struck by the media today in this "miraculous rapprochement" to Cuba and Venezuela. The media has historically been left-leaning and it has never been more evident than now.
Like I said, congrees gave him noi other ideas on how to fix things......What is he supposed to do--sit on his butt like the other president's have done or lie out his butthole like Bush did? Which is better--being up front or lying? I take the upfrong anyday!
BTW I did not vote for Obama, but now that he is in office, just maybe people like you should help him instead of complaining all the time.
We are not the Father of the world and we shouldn't have to be.
I'd love to help President Obama. The solutions to the economic and foreign affairs debacles are listed above, but let's list them again.
It's not that difficult. Here is all the help that any President in his situation would require. In a nutshell:
Economy: All bailouts must stop; all stimuluses must be retracted; taxes and spending diminished massively. Spending your way out of a recession by impoverishing the next generation of Americans is a fool's errand.
Foreign Affairs: Stand up for human rights, no matter what the cost; isolate and sanction tyrannical regimes; back up your bark with as much bite as necessary to make the point. As the only country with the military power and the moral compass to maintain the role of Policeman of the World, (not necessarily Father of the World) do the job and do it right.
The problem with number 2: One man cannot do it by himslef and alot of contries have left us to do all the dirty work. Write your congressman/woman and write often. The squeeky wheel gets the grease. I don't think we should put our noses where they don't belong, you feel differently.
As shown by my Hub:
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Simple-Answer-To-The-C
I have little if any trust in politicians of any stripe and consider them redundant in this day and age. I could not disagree with you more about putting our noses where they don't belong. The condition of economics and the affairs of our nation are the duty of every citizen. It is just another reflection of this media-distracted age where we have all forgotten that the primary call of every citizen is to be a patriot first and foremost.
Why should terrorist supporters like Iran should be allowed nukes? They have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted. They would use them. We are in Iraq to have a friend and soldiers on Iran's bolder to hold down the piece in the middle east.
Hal, You are right on, and there is 45% of the US people who feel the same, 45% who will totally disagree, and be very flaggerant about it, but cannot support their believes. And 10% that sit on the fence.
As for the economy, if the leaders of our country had not been telling us how bad the ecomony was, and if the congress would have down their job, the banks would not have had problems.
Now that the leaders are saying the economy is starting to pick up, (which it always does in the spring and summer any way, not by any of their doings) Obama can control so much of the economy by saying something about it.
I want to start a movement to vote out all of the existing legislator in 2010 and 2012. We need to take back our government. He has placed my children it so much debt, that it just makes me scream. I will try to help my children by either leaving them money, or making sure they graduate from college with the least amount of debt as possible so to help give my children a chance. I owe it to them because we are stealing their money now..
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Extraordinary times, made extraordinary by Bush and the Republicans, require extraordinary measures. We have never in our lives seen anything like it, and the solutions to it may yet be unknown. Nevertheless, something must be done. Nobody I know are happy at the bailouts. Hey, they did a crappy job and they should suffer the consequences, but the system that has been allowed to be constructed in this country, unfortunately, has too many things interconnected. If they were to fall, they are but the first domino in a long line. Who knows where the line of falling dominoes ends? I don't want to find out. Stop the first domino now. Fix the system later.
I did vote for Obama , mainly because I sincerely thought he would be a change from the old guard whom I have stopped trusting long ago. I will say this ,I still like him too . I am not too crazy about some of his choices for his cabinet . For starts they seem to have their problems paying taxes. And Napalitano this week just completely outraged me. I think she has already proven that she Is not fit for her position .
And also Bush got the ball rolling on all these bailouts , and Obama has kept the ball rolling. And he did Inherit a pile of shit ! I have been on this planet damn near half a century and I cannot recall at anytime a President that came Into office with a country In such turmoil . With the visits abroad some at Fox News might see a closet Muslim . I see a rookie politician who Is learning the Intricacies of engaging the world In political discourse . I will say this those tea parties were a groundswell of Americans who no longer feel that they have a voice In their own country . It was not just about taxes . There were Democrats there too ! In spite of what the NY Times or the LA Times might tell you.
Oh, one more thing Hal . I have been saying forever that all Incumbents need to be voted out . But the American voter can be pretty lazy , they see a name they recognize and they pencil them In . I say these are the folks tht helped us to the edge of the cliff, so why are we letting them continue wrecking us ?
Let's start out with a quote from Sen. John Ensign, R-Nevada, who told CNN it was "irresponsible" for President Obama to been seen "laughing and joking" with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez at the Summit of the Americas on Friday. "This is a person who is one of the most anti-American leaders in the entire world," Ensign told CNN. "He is a brutal dictator and human rights violations are very, very prevalent in Venezuela. And you have to be careful."
Hmm... so maybe there are some politicians who have their eyes open after all.
eovery: There is very little doubt that a nuclear Iran would sooner or later use the arms against Israel. It's just a matter of time. What we're experiencing now in the stock market is a typical bear market rally. Everybody gets all excited, everybody talks about bottoming out, and then this upcoming week brings well over a hundred quarterlies showing that most corporations have tanked, and down comes the DJIA all over again. I most certainly want to join your "vote out all of the existing legislator in 2010 and 2012" movement. There certainly is getting to be more than enough similar sentiment among Americans with their tea parties. Let's just hope that it picks up steam! We have got to STOP STEALING FROM OUR CHILDREN! We can't place our kids in debt to the tune of a quarter million dollars each. This can't be allowed to continue!
Christoph Reilly: I can certainly see your point, but the basic problem is that the over one trillion dollars disbursed so far has done nothing. AIG, Chrysler, GM, et al are still in just as much trouble as they were before, and the US taxpayer has been indebted to the hilt for decades to come. The essence of the situation is that we're not stopping the dominos at all, while we've irrevocably wrecked the system at the same time.
tony0724: Don't get me wrong, I think Obama's a great guy. But he's either making severe rookie mistakes, or the rumors about his Socialist-sympathizing past have to be true. Napolitano is an embarrassment and should be hoofed out immediately before she builds a wall across the Canadian and Mexican borders. As for allowing the vast unwashed masses to continue screwing it up for the rest of us, unfortunately there is no realistic way to take those rights away from them without resorting to tyranny, and if it comes down to a choice between the two, I'll always opt for one person one vote.
Thanks to all for your comments. Now comes the loaded question. Are we going to try and do something about this, or are we all going to just continue to fiddle while Rome burns? Is there any way to take this out to the real world and get real citizens involved in solving the very real problems of the world, or are we just going to hang out on the internet chatting with each other? I believe that NOW IS A TIME FOR ACTION. Not just talk.
So... what about it... what can we do TO CHANGE THE WORLD NOW?
To answer your challenging question, " What can we do to change the world NOW "; ....Not much...Instant change will always be resisted... look at the resistance generated by Obama's perception of socialist change...a resistance I whole-heartily agree with...
The Left has been working at social change since the 60's in a dramatic way, a way that has produced obvious results in the new millenium...through Academia, through the main stream media, through Hollywood film, and , most importantly, through social engineering constructed by codified law established by unelected liberal judges.
The cultural changes we are witnessing now have been slowly boiling in the pot for a long time. We have gone from a nation of rugged individualism, intellectually engaged, and non-hyphenated American citizens, to a society of litigious, woe-is-me, victims that look to government to take care of them from cradle to grave.
I commend you, Hal, on an excellent, provocative, and timely Hub. Just remember, its always the leader that takes the slings and arrows..... I've got your back...
Wow, maven101, thank you. I wholeheartedly agree and I'm honored.
I actually don't look to the government to take care of me. I simply expect them to not rob me.
Good piece. My husband would love this.
Your hub page has a strong tone. I didnt vote for hm but I think he is really trying his best to do the best he can.
FitnessProDee: Thanks! One of the basic problems is that people everywhere consider the government an adversarial force when they do not realize that we are in charge of them, and not the other way around. We have to take control again and we have to do it now. This very well may be our last chance.
GDalways09: As I stated repeatedly, I think Obama may be a great guy. I'd love to have a beer with him. But I also think that virtually every single major policy he has undertaken so far is anathema to American values, ethics, ideology and interests.
I can't believe people who want socailistic change that Obama is trying to bring in. America has been great because it has been considered the land of opportunity. Under socialism this will not be the case. I am working on a capitalism-socialism hub, and it is taking a lot of homework to do. But basically, in socialstic country, they let capitalistic company do the work because capitalism is the only that makes money, then the government heavily taxes, i.e. 40-70% for all of the social programs thay have out there. It takes big government to run this, so by the time the big government pays it bills, the money is mostly gone, and not much ends up in the programs it was meant for. We already have over 51% of the people in the United states employed by the government. How much more can the tax generating base can support? So less than 50% of the population has to work and generate the tax for the rest of the country to live off from, and this is not including the people on welfare. This is the main thing that pisses me off.
With a larger socialistic government, some of the base tax generating businesses will be gone, so the tax burden lays on the other portion. I.e. 40% of the people will have to provide for everyone?
With a smaller government, i.e. 25% of people employed by the government, then 75% of the people will be working in tax generating business. This lower the rates of taxes by at least one half, and mathamatically, it could be down to one quarter.
Now this will cause growth and prosperity. It will not have the parisidical government syphoning the money and burdening society. And in a righteouse society, it will take care of the poor, the needy and the elderly. The corporation, as of old, could maintain health insurance on retired employees, we would not need the poorly ran medicare system.
Keep on Hubbing.
eovery: I am 100% in favor of your rejection of socialism in any form. Socialism of all stripes has always stood for huge government bureaucracies with enormous budgets, always borne by the taxpayer. There is no way that we can possibly afford, either ideologically or financially, any trace of socialism in the USA today.
"What we're experiencing now in the stock market is a typical bear market rally. Everybody gets all excited, everybody talks about bottoming out, and then this upcoming week brings well over a hundred quarterlies showing that most corporations have tanked, and down comes the DJIA all over again." I stated that yesterday morning. The market just closed and the DJIA is down almost 300 points. So... maybe I DO know what I'm talking about? :)
This just off the wire services:
"President Barack Obama convenes his first formal Cabinet meeting Monday and will ask department and agency chiefs to look for ways over the next 90 days to cut $100 million out of the federal budget. Obama has brought forward a $3.6 trillion budget for the 2010 fiscal year, beginning Oct. 1, a proposal that would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade (and increase the national deficit to $15 trillion)."
Is this some sort of sad joke? Are we at all serious about this. Can anyone read this with a straight face? Obama is under pressure for creating the highest deficits by any President in history, and he decides to cool off the criticism by cutting $100 million?
$100 MILLION?
OK, let's look at some math for those who (Obama thinks) are easily confused by millions and billions and trillions.
Let's say your total debt for this year is $36,000. And your total debt load is $150,000. You make a determination that you're going to help out your total debt load by paying off... ONE DOLLAR!
Folks, that is the difference between $3.6 trillion, $15 trillion, and $100 million.
$100 million is the interest accrued by the national deficit in
ONE HOUR AND 55 MINUTES!
WE ARE BEING SCAMMED, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
Anyone commenting that "well... every little bit helps..." will be mercilessly flamed. :(
You are right on!
He good at saying what the people want to hear.
Thanks for helping us United Staters out.
Keep on Hubbing!
Thanks eovery! Ever since I was a teen, my heart has always been in America and with the American citizenry. As I stated, I believe I am one of the few American patriots who has never held US citizenship. There are no lengths I would not go to in order to defend the rights, values, ethics, and honor of the great American people.
Really interesting, I am very disturbed with his bowing to Arabs and his handshakes with ruthless power hungry dictators. He does not represent me.
It seems that he does not represent a significant portion of Americans or American interests. The question remains: what are we going to do about it? There are endless options open to the American people to intervene and place their own government back on an even keel. Is the will present to truly change the country and the world for the better?
obama is not a good president or man at all
I can only agree with you half way there. If we judge him on the actions he has taken as President so far in his Administration, we can confidently conclude that he has had the most vehemently counterproductive, economically destructive, diplomatically obtuse, and fundamentally anti-American first few months of any of the 44 Presidents. As a man, I can only say with many others... "he 'seems' likeable..."
Hal, All that money talk means absolutely nothing if congress doesn't pass it. Stop blowing smoke around.
Lady Guinevere, TARP has already been fully implemented. The Congressional Oversight Panel responsible for keeping tabs on the program estimates that $590.4 billion of the total $700 billion approved by Congress has been spent or committed over the past six months. So that's already gone. The Treasury also has approx. $1.5 trillion in additional funds ready to disburse in various bailout "slush funds". That is a total of well over $2 trillion, all added atop a current national debt of $11.2 trillion, which is growing by $3.9 billion per day. Yeah, I'm blowing smoke, but it's from the forest fire that's about to engulf the nation's financial base.
My Lady G.
What?
Congress are just too eager to pass the bills for spending the money. They have showed it twice, now. And the treasury spends the money with out needing any congressional approval.
No smoke.
Keep on Hubbing.
Who was it that said, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer?"
When I read your statement, "We jail anyone who bounces a $100 check at WalMart,...." I realized that you and I are not living in the same country. I have never heard of anyone being jailed for a bounced check in the USA. Blatantly false statements do nothing to support your arguments but they do create questions about your perception of the world in which you live. They also cause erroneous impressions about life in the USA in the minds of your readers living in other countries.
I understand that your viewpoint is biased by the atrocities you have witnessed but the President’s role is not to be your avenger. I will judge his administration by his real and meaningful actions and not by his symbolic ones.
Q.
eovery: You are absolutely right that there is effectively no Congressional oversight over the Treasury's "slush funds" even though every dollar of that is just as much contributed by the taxpayer as any other government funds.
Quilligrapher: SAY WOT?
California. Where amount is less than $200 and is first offense, up to one year in county jail.
Connecticut. Up to $1,000 fine or one year in jail or both.
Delaware. Misdemeanor - up to 2 years in jail, $1,000 fine, or both.
Georgia. Check for less than $100, fine of not more than $500 or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months or both.
Idaho. Fine or imprisonment or both as follows: If under $50, 1st offense - $300 and six months; 2nd offense - $1000 and one year; 3rd offense, or if amount in excess of $50 - $5,000 and three years.
Illinois. Up to $500 fine or up to one year in jail, or both.
Indiana. Up to $5,000 fine or up to one year in jail, or both.
Iowa. Up to $100 fine or 30 days in jail for misdemeanor.
And that's just to the I's. I can go much further.
What in tarnation are you talking about? It's not the best idea in the world to come onto my Hub and accuse me of "blatantly false statements" when you don't have a leg to stand on. Maybe I misunderstood you. If so, please clarify.
And no, you and I don't live "in the same country". I'm north of your fortified, satellite-scoured soon-to-be-mine-studded northern border! :)
And as for Obama's "real and meaningful actions" there have been plenty. And the vast majority of them have indebted Americans for decades to come, and created the basis for more global instability in three months than his predecessor had in eight years. And I've already gone on record as stating that Bush should be tried for war crimes!
Thanks for quoting the law to me. I still have never heard of anyone jailed for a bounced check but that is my issue and not yours. Do doubt you have.
Whether Obama's actions actually result in global instability is something we will have to wait to see.
Q.
Hi, Quilligrapher. Actually I had a person working for me years ago in California who did just under three months in jail for a $400 bounced check. So please don't doubt. Google jail for bad check or jail for bounced check and you'll see millions of references and endless stories of people behind bars.
Obama's crash and burn economic policies have already resulted in the marked worsening of the most serious global financial crash in 80 years. If you want a foreign policy disaster that may soon dwarf the financial and make us think that the current mess was the good ol' days all I can say is one word: PAKISTAN.
What's about to happen there in the next little while is going to boggle the imagination and smack the world for a loop.
LATE BREAKING NEWS... so... the CFO of Freddie Mac just committed suicide... hmm... I'm sure the story is going to be that it was all unrelated to Freddie and due to "family pressures"... right... uhuh...
It's now 8:45 am Eastern time on April 22. Just wait and see how the markets react to this in the next few days.
Keep your seat belts fastened folks. This is gonna be one helluva nasty ride... :(
A month ago didn't the former CEO resign, and now add this on top. Someone is cooking some books. I agree this is going to take a while but it is going to hit the fan again. Where Mr. Barney Frank and the gang of ten this time! Isn't it his job to over see this? Let's fire him when this unfolds again!
Keep on hubbing!
All hell must be breaking loose inside ol' Freddy. Watch for major scandals to surface soon, and when they do, the economy is going to tank even further. Right now, this is getting getting so ugly that the vast majority of elected officials of both parties deserve to be hoofed out the door. :(
Great post.
Quilligrapher, rather than wait and see what Obama's actions lead to, think we can study some history and try to avert any coming disasters? This is the most irresponsible thing I hear people saying everywhere..."It's not fair to judge Obama's policies yet, we must give him time". No! We can look at foriegn polcy history, and economic history, as well, and act on what is likely to happen, before we are in the crapper.
Thanks! As I just stated in one of my other Obama Marxist Hubs:
Americans should have thought of the best interests of your country before you elected a Communist to the highest office in the land. You are now in the sixth month of the first Socialist administration in your history and you have lurched far more to the left in that time than even Venezuela did in six months after electing Chavez.
Anyone who resists the conclusion based on the incontrovertible that Obama is a Communist and that his policies will devastate America is a fool who is aiding and abetting the Marxist conversion of the USA.
God help you and God help America at the time of its greatest need.
Hal, I could not agree with you more.Since we have never been sold out at the highest office before in out history, is anyone proposing a next step?
Thanks! :) As for the next step... Absolutely: Impeachment.
I always wonder why US right wingers say they live in the best country in the world, have the best government etc etc and yet don't trust the federal government with anything.
I wonder even more about a Canadian who is so obsessed with US issues. I mean why should you care? You have a decent country with universal health care and moderate welfare. The gun nuts are few and far between (and mostly visitors at that). Why not relax and get some pleasure from life instead of wallowing in fear and hatred (and generating boat loads of it)?
I would love to know your family history and background just to understand how people like you get made. Some government might be able intervene and save us all.
why push everything on Obama? aren't you just pointing the finger?
Impeachment LOL: I've got something you can take a big LOL at and it's hirsute, covered in cellulite and rather malodorous. :) Damn right I'm obsessed with US issues: I lived in your country for many years and since Canada is a socio-economic appendage of the USA even your minor policies affect my nation severely. My family history is one of intellectual independent thinkers, which varies significantly from yours which must consists of sheep who appreciate being led blindly to the slaughter. But don't worry, you have plenty of company as Mr. Obama has managed to hoodwink many millions of other citizens... er... sheep.
garhunt05: Why push everything on Obama? Because he is the first Socialist / Marxist / Communist president in the USA. Do you want me to blame the GOP for a health care system that even the Soviet Union would have shied away from? DUH!
I intend on reading the other comments on this Hub tonight. But I know one thing- You hit the nail right on the COMMUNIST, MARBLE HEAD.
Thank you, Derrik. Although I am pleased that more and more Americans are coming around to my viewpoint and that my accusations don't seem anywhere near as extreme as they did to many when this Hub was first published (as is seen by the vocal opposition to his health plan, etc.), I would have been more pleased if Mr. Obama had not lied to the world about his true ideological beliefs in the first place and had not been elected to your nation's highest office where he can have a free hand to devastate the country!
Lady Guinevere:
You are right, to a degree, but you are wrong as well. First the right part. You said that we allow things we have no control over scares the beegeebees out of us. You also said, "What if he (Obama) is the answer, to changing the world for the better?" And you said that a President can only do so much when his people are so afraid of change. And finally, you said "I don't feel we should put our noses where they don't belong."
We allow things we have no control over to scare the beegeebees out of us: Yes- you are totally right. The problem is, that when it comes to our government, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN CONTROL. It is a government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. So when the government, INCLUDING a President who bows to Arab Terrorist Kings, when they start doing whatever the hell they choose, then I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. They are NOT elected into office to go to the enemies of America and bow down, and have cups of tea with the enemy, and talk Tiger Woods. They are NOT elected to gain control over our Private sector, to BUY OUT companies who are in trouble, to start a GOVERNMENT health care program, or to grab control over our internet and media services. That is NOT a government but a dictatorship.
"What if Obama is the answer to changing the world for the better?" But you need to wake up and admit the truth sweetie. Obama has been a DISASTER for us so far. In his FIRST 6 MONTHS, President Obama and his administration have out-spent EVERY administration in America's history. We have spent almost 3 TRILLION in that time, and there is ANOTHER PROJECTED 4 TRILLION to be spent in the next several years. Do you know how much debt we had when he got into office? About 4 or 5 Trillion. We are at 9 Trillion RIGHT NOW. Obama's "future" and "change" is a DEAD AMERICA.
"A President can only do so much when his people are so afraid of change." WAKE UP! Of course we are afraid of the KIND of change he is instituting right now! We do NOT WANT a BIGGER, more POWERFUL government that costs THREE TIMES AS MUCH to FUND!! That kind of change, WILL mean FAR higher taxes, all across the nation, in every income range. TO give you an example- If our government were TWICE it's size, we would have to pay 100% more taxes, which would bring our federal withholdings each paycheck to about $40 for every $100 we earn. HELL NO!! I pay ALMOST $20 right now! The type of change we NEED, is for our Senators and Congressmen to realize that WE will KICK them OUT of office, unless they unify and GET RID OF every government agency, program or agenda that is WASTING money, or that is an UNNECESSARY program, and that would save HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS EACH YEAR ALONE. THOSE are the types of changes we need to start with, THEN we need to FOCUS on renewable energy, with someone at the helm who is NOT AN ADMITTED COMMUNIST. (Van Jones.)
"I don't feel we should put our noses where they don't belong." But sweetie, our noses BELONG IN GOVERNMENT. What our government does, IS OUR BUSINESS!! THAT is why they NEED OUR VOTE to get into office!! If we sit on our collective ASSES and allow the greedy, corrupt politicians in Washington do whatever they want, they will gain more and more power until we are unable to stop them, then it will be too late and our freedoms will be GONE. We who see the problems, are indeed afraid. And I for one am not going to just sit around while our freedoms are being written away by terrorists. (Anyone, ANYONE, who takes part, in making OR accepting laws that HURT our rights under the constitution, is a TERRORIST, and they are OUR enemies.)
Derrik, we need to establish the "Constitutional Party" for the restoration of the United States of America to the path the Founding Fathers intended the nation to follow. You are a brother in arms and I truly appreciate your participation and support. Now... can a Canadian be a founding member of an American political party? :)
Why the heck not?? Hal, maybe we should start a new country, with our own constitution. I think Antarctica is still up for grabs aint it??
Nah, too cold. I'm in friggin' Canada and if I gotta move I wanna see palm trees. :)
barack obama is the first president in the united states of america,will destroy america in his hands in the first time in american hisstory
and a new 11 september in wight house
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shamelabboush Level 1 Commenter 3 years ago
I think peace making process requires some risks. Obama is really in trouble having this heavy legacy from Bush!!!